It’s the Barren B*tches Book Brigade! Embryo Culture by Beth Kohl
Welcome to the most recent installment of the Barren B*tches Book Brigade - a virtual
book club where a bunch of bloggers read a book, ask each other questions and then post responses on their various blogs. This month’s choice is Embryo Culture: Making Babies in the Twenty-first Century by Beth Kohl.
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So, without further ado, here is my contribution to this month’s tour. Questions come from other (in)fertility bloggers. Responses are mine:
Did religion shape the decisions you made about treatment? And in turn, did your infertility change the way you looked at your religion?
While I appreciated Beth’s frequent and thoughtful assessments of what ART meant for her and how it gelled (or didn’t) with her religious beliefs, I couldn’t relate. Of the many, many things that my husband and I discussed before scheduling a consultation with a reproductive endocrinologist, religion was not one of them.
My husband is someone who believes that “atheists are optimists.” Baptized and raised Roman Catholic, I am no longer someone who believes in a loving and gentle God. If he does exist, in my mind he is of the Old Testament variety. Fire and brimstone. Unforgiving. Fickle. Self-righteous. Impetuous. One only needs to look there to see where many believers get the idea that to be barren is to be punished, unloved and unlovable. What’s worse than a woman who ends your familial line?
In chapter 3, Beth considers what kind of God, if any, she should put her fertility faith in. She pictures a benevolent god but then wonders, Or is He a puritanical smiter, my infertility a pox upon me for my lapsed faith, my premarital sexual experience and my all around enjoyment of the fruit of the vine and the leaf of the plant?
Absent my medical history and its obvious tinkerings with my goods, I would probably be asking myself these same questions. Something’s wrong with me? I must have done something to deserve it. God must have a reason. Some, like my parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, et. al. find comfort in that last sentence. I find it cruel.
Religion did not shape the decisions I made about treatment. But it has shaped the way I feel about myself as a woman. And when I do permit myself the occasional cry, it usually stems from those feelings of inadequacy that most Catholics feel, a feeling not specific to infertility. I noticed on page 61 that Catholics aren’t alone: I had taken seriously the line spoken by the rabbi who had married us: “May you grow into thousands of myriads.”Those words underscore one of the primary purposes of Jewish marriage…This placed pressure on me not to be the point at which my grandparents’ lines died, a generational black hole.
While religion didn’t shape my decisions about ART, it does shape the way ART is perceived. As it shapes views of motherhood, family, femininity.
If I worry about anything, it is how our child would be perceived by others. Which brings us to the next question…
If you have children via ART, did you ever wonder some of the same things that Beth wondered? Would they be “different”? Would others who found out they were ART babies treat them differently?
When I told my younger brother that we were trying to conceive and filled him in on all of the details (which do, FYI, include donor eggs) at first he was shocked, then thrilled, then he hit me with this line, “That’s great. But I don’t want to be a half-uncle. I really want this kid to know me as his or her uncle.” What a way with words, hey?
In his mind, this was a legitimate conclusion and a legitimate request. Part of the equation isn’t mine, so I’d kind of be like a step-mom, right?
Um, no.
In my mind, if I am lucky enough to nurture an embryo for nine months and then push it out of my lovely bits (or have it removed from my belly), then there are some significant pieces of me invested there. I would be 100% mom.
But that’s how I would feel. I do wonder, like Beth, if I were lucky enough to have twins, would people assume they were born “with a little assistance” and then jump to other conclusions? Would there be other twins in their classes at school? Would they feel special, or just especially different?
Would I continue to blog and write and share if I were lucky enough to conceive, or would that take away from his/her/their story and their opportunity and desire to tell (or not tell) it? I believe in full disclosure, but perhaps my child(ren) would feel differently.
So to answer the question, yes. I guess I think about these things all the time. But I don’t get any closer to any answers.
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11 opinions for It’s the Barren B*tches Book Brigade! Embryo Culture by Beth Kohl
Baby Steps to Baby Shoes
Mar 4, 2008 at 9:44 am
You make an excellent point that whether religion shaped an individual’s decision about ART, it certainly shapes others’ reactions. I hadn’t thought of it quite like that.
loribeth
Mar 4, 2008 at 9:56 am
Thanks for some interesting comments! You know, I have wondered how twins conceived the “old-fashioned” way must feel these days — how many people just assume that they are the product of ART?
Jendeis
Mar 4, 2008 at 10:20 am
I enjoyed reading your comments. I too did not contemplate how others’ religions color their reactions to an individual’s IF journey. I think it’s easier to only consider one’s own religion or that extending to the smaller extended family (parents, siblings, etc.) because you come from a similar set of values.
Ellen K.
Mar 4, 2008 at 10:25 am
I can relate to your perspective on how religion influences feelings of inadequacy in infertility. Good answers all around.
BethKohl
Mar 4, 2008 at 2:30 pm
You bring up so many interesting ideas. I can’t even tell you how many times people ask me if my twins were natural. No matter how many times I’ve been asked, I don’t know how to respond. Should I ignore the insinuation, that because a chld resulted from a medical intervention that he or she is in some way less than one hundred percent human? That if a woman, the more subservient the better, didn’t couple as chastely as possible while still coupling with her husband and allow God to breathe life (or lives) into her uterus, that the resulting children therefore lack some sort of essential spirit or nature? Or should I say fuck yeah (Do you guys swear on these things?), they’re natural, I don’t appreciate the insinuation. Most of all, it kills me when people ask within earshot of those most natural of chldren of mine. In fact, if those impressionable listeners weren’t within earshot, I may likely fire back a comment about the unnatrual smoothness of my interegator’s clearly Botoxed brow or ask them to please fuck off (I hope you guys swear).
Gabrielle
Mar 4, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Beth, I am honored to have your F bombs grace my comments! Thank you so much for your thoughts and THANK YOU for such an excellent book (which prompted these discussions.)
I’ve often heard of Embryo Culture referred to as the “thinking woman’s take on ART.” Which is awesome. But to me, that implies that you somehow left your heart and your spiritual needs out of the telling, which certainly wasn’t the case. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, and laughed out loud in several parts.
Beth and Loribeth, I often think the same thing regarding “natural” multiples. And I have to admit that I do the same thing: I hear of the latest celebrity having twins and my brain immediately goes to, “oh I wonder if she used IVF….” before I can stop it. Does the rest of the world think this way? Or just us?
Ellen, Jendeis and Baby Steps, thank you so much for your comments. Figuring out where I stand on this whole god/religion thing has been a bit of a struggle for me for several years so maybe I am just hyper-aware of how it has shaped me, my view and how I see it shaping the views of others. I had a bit of a panic after I posted this last night, fearing I might offend some who are in a different place than I am with my conclusions, so I really appreciate your thoughts.
Kelly
Mar 4, 2008 at 4:59 pm
When people ask if my girls are twins I often times volunteer they are IVF twins, whether they ask or not. Most people don’t judge and ask questions, especially if they’ve been experiencing infertility or know someone who has–an everyone probably knows someone who has. If they’re put-off by my openness then they move the conversation onto another topic. It’s important for people to see and be exposed to infertility and I use the topic of my twins to educate them. I’m very proud of my girls and I know how blessed I am for the fact that medical technologies helped me become a mother.
I caution women going through infertility to wish for twins. One in 3 twin pregnancies will result in the babies being born prematurely. I almost lost one of my girls to a preemie disease (a disease common in IVF twins) and I know other couples who’ve lost one or both twins to prematurity. There is no reason a women who has experienced infertility should also experience the loss of a child.
Erica
Mar 4, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Great responses. I also was raised Roman Catholic, and what I think you are feeling, as I mentioned in my post, is that damn Catholic guilt. You weren’t raised Catholic if you don’t have it. It sucks, right? It’s that belief that you are somehow responsible for all the bad things that have happened to you.
We just had a huge discussion on the twins board I belong to about the natural vs un-natural question. My favorite response to “are you twins natural?” is “well, they certainly are not synthetic.
I think people are curious about them, and that’s fine. Plus, mine are babies. But I’m with Beth. If someone said that in front of my older children that could understand, I might have to hit them.
I’m sorry your brother made that insensitive comment. He wouldn’t be a half uncle, and you certainly wouldn’t be a step-mother. Mothers come in all shapes any sizes, whether they are biologically yours or not. But I can see how you are unsure what to tell them. I feel the same way. Do I explain about their conception to them? Will they feel like they are freaks or something? Or test tube babies? It’s all so confusing. And it’s just one more crappy thing we have to deal with in the infertility mess.
Mel
Mar 4, 2008 at 8:36 pm
I am in love with the way you wrote this line: “What’s worse than a woman who ends your familial line?” Just by the way.
It’s interesting that your brother jumped there. It just wasn’t something I ever considered even before being this firmly entrenched in the IF world.
Heather
Mar 5, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I have twins from IVF and people ask me all the time if they were a surprise or if they are natural or whatever, and I have to admit, I wonder the same thing when others have twins, though rarely do I ask how they were conceived. Sometimes it bothers me, sometimes not.
I do wonder how others will treat my children once they know they were conceived via IVF. I would hope not any differently, but I do know that religious beliefs that people have do color how they perceive ART and so they may treat my children differently.
Deb
Mar 5, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Thanks for sharing the exchange with your brother. I think that he most likely is not alone in that thought and that others who are not really in the know about treatments and alternative paths to parenting are sometimes quite— what… confused?. I know that when the discussion of adoption has come up with friends and family it inevitably comes to “but they won’t be yours” and then futher explanation is needed.
Anyhow, thanks for sharing your well thought out answers with us, struggles and all.
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